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The Bugle: Issue 222, October 2024
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Ship templates question
[edit]Greetings Lynda, {{ship|US|West Nohno||2}} is this the right notation for (WWII) US merchant ships and is there a WP with a list for Panama, Norway etc please? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 14:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
As I understand it all you need is SS (or MV/MS if a motorship) ie {{SS|West Nohno||2}} Lyndaship (talk) 14:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Bugger! I'll have to take them out, :O( Keith-264 (talk) 14:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Lol - I thought they were a previous editors doing. Got a sneaky feeling the flags should be UKGBNI too - no difference in graphic Lyndaship (talk) 15:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, someone else mentioned that. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 15:47, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Just noticed that {{naval|UKGBNI|civil}} shows as Royal Navy and {{naval|UKGBI|civil}} as Merchant Navy....?!? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 16:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Beyond me as to why but looking at Template:Country data United Kingdom it would appear that {{naval|UKGBNI|naval-merchant}} gets the output desired and satisfies having the right state in the mark-up. As the output is the same for the existing UKGBI usage and this one I'm not much bothered Lyndaship (talk) 16:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
This is because theJust noticed that {{naval|UKGBNI|civil}} shows as Royal Navy and {{naval|UKGBI|civil}} as Merchant Navy....?!?
— User:Keith-264 16:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)|civiloption is missing from the {{Country data UKGBNI}}. See the available options in the {{naval}} template. --85.249.31.96 (talk) 20:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Problem solved. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 20:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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The Bugle: Issue 223, November 2024
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Voting is now open for the WikiProject Military History newcomer of the year and military historian of the year awards
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Re: HMS Unruffled
[edit]Hey, nice job with copy-editing HMS Unruffled. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can pass it as a nomination for DYK since with recent edits (not just your own, quite a slew) that have removed so much content, it is well below the 5x expansion threshold, which it didn't quite meet even at the time of nomination. Any chance you can either expand missing parts or recommend areas for expansion? Thanks, again. Viriditas (talk) 10:02, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sadly the ship had a successful war but was nothing out of the ordinary therefore all the sources tend to just be a list of occurrences. Gregans book would be the only source to add interest to and substantially expand the article but I see it's self published and I feel full of embellishment. The story about Timoshenko is interesting but lacks reliable sources - for instance what happened to this much loved crew member? These two sources give some further details of occurrences and could be used to correct some of the inaccuracies in the article eg in refit at Tilbury for 18 months https://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-12SS-09U-HMS_Unruffled.htm https://rnsubs.co.uk/boats/subs/u-class/unruffled.html . The language in the article leaves a lot to be desired......travelled, sailed, landing any hits...struck etc Lyndaship (talk) 11:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! I will ping @Heavywick: so they see this, and hopefully they can address it. Please add the article to your watchlist and keep an eye on things if you have time. Viriditas (talk) 11:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I've gone through and tried to remove uses of those words/terms where I can. I'm unsure what you mean about the Tilbury refit I'm afraid, I don't see a reference to 18 months of refit anywhere? Let me know if there's anything else that looks inaccurate to you? Also, are the websites you linked considered reliable sources? One of them mentions her sinking a ship called Pommern, for example, but that doesn't seem to appear anywhere outside of that website. Heavywick (talk) 12:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
spending the rest of the war being refitted at Tilbury
- history net has her operational again by June 1944. As to reliability History. net I have certainly found mistakes there in the past but then again that is the case in even the best sources. On Pommern that turns out to be interesting, no other source credits her sinking to Unruffled but u-boat net mentions an attack on that date on an unidentified ship with no visible hit. Our List of shipwrecks in October 1943 lists a Pommern sunk on that date by a mine off the Italian coast. Checking the sources quoted there she is listed as an ex merchantman. Straying into original research here Lyndaship (talk) 12:52, 5 December 2024 (UTC)- Just to update, there's been additional changes to the article in response to your comments. My hope is that I can close this DYK nom out and pass it within the next 24-48 hours. If you could get a chance and look things over before then, that would be great. Viriditas (talk) 21:05, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I think I see the issue there with the refit, the wording suggested the refit lasted the rest of the war, with the exercises coming after. I've amended it to make it clearer that it's a refit, and then the rest of the war in exercises.
- Interesting about the Pommern, I wonder if there is a link there - perhaps Unruffled attacked it, and it later got sunk by a mine, and History.net may be confusing the two events? One of the German sources cited suggests it was an Italian mine, if Google translate has gotten that right. Heavywick (talk) 21:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well I went down the rabbit hole. German wiki has a good page about Pommern [1]. All in all I think given location and time theres a good chance that Unruffled actually sank Pommern. Its common when an attack by a submarine is not spotted and a ship blows up for it to be blamed on a mine. I would suggest you add it as a footnote or in the prose stating that one source claims it as Unruffleds victory but all others state it was a mine and also link to uboat.net where Stevens after action report is detailed Lyndaship (talk) 06:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Interesting stuff. Agreed that it could well have been Unruffled that sank Pommern, looking at the times and locations in particular. I've added a section to the article noting what the different sources say. Heavywick (talk) 09:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well I went down the rabbit hole. German wiki has a good page about Pommern [1]. All in all I think given location and time theres a good chance that Unruffled actually sank Pommern. Its common when an attack by a submarine is not spotted and a ship blows up for it to be blamed on a mine. I would suggest you add it as a footnote or in the prose stating that one source claims it as Unruffleds victory but all others state it was a mine and also link to uboat.net where Stevens after action report is detailed Lyndaship (talk) 06:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
A cup of tea for you!
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thank you for your contributions and attention to detail!! :) xRozuRozu • teacups 22:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC) |
DYK for HMS Unruffled
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On 19 December 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article HMS Unruffled, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a cat, Timoshenko, joined the British submarine HMS Unruffled on twenty patrols during the Second World War? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/HMS Unruffled. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, HMS Unruffled), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
The Coast Guard Star
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| I hereby award you The Coast Guard Star for your recent efforts to correct the website name of the U.S. Coast Guard Historian's Office website to a much better descriptor on multiple Coast Guard cutter articles as well a numerous minor corrections in style in at least a dozen different cutter articles. This marks only the eleventh time that The Coast Guard Star has been awarded. Thank you for your efforts to improve Coast Guard related article content. Cuprum17 (talk) 21:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
- Thank you. Greatly appreciated Lyndaship (talk) 09:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC)