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Propose splitting out all "The Doctor" terms.

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"The Doctor" is significantly different enough from "Doctor" and should be split out into it's own disambiguation page The Doctor. I'm proposing this to the community to gain consensus on this, and I do not currently have time to do this myself. If there is community consensus, I would be happy to take care of the split in 2-5 weeks when I have time. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 14:48, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to reopen this since it seems the folks at WT:WHO are eager to redirect the term "The Doctor" to Doctor (Doctor Who) [1]. As this page currently stands, we include both "doctor" and "the doctor" as search terms that lead to this page. Right now, it would difficult to establish a primary topic on this disambiguation page because other terms like medical doctor, physician, etc. are also pretty important articles. Should the terms doctor and the doctor lead to different pages?

Personally, I can see why the two terms both lead here. They are both very general terms that can have ambiguous intent when thinking about a general user using the search box. Someone searching for "doctor" might mean really anything on this current list. Searching for "the doctor" can be more specific, but it still leads to many relatively notable topics, some of which are medical where someone else could intend to find the Cheap Trick album The Doctor by just searching for "doctor". Does anyone have good justification for having "The Doctor" be a separate disambiguation page or against doing so with specific problems in mind? I don't really feel strongly one way or another right now, but since conversation really hasn't happened yet, it should be discussed before deciding on the Dr. Who redirect that's a bit lesser in scope. Kingofaces43 (talk) 22:35, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really much see benifit in a split. The current setup is pretty much the standard for any term with/without a definite article (per WP:DPAGE). It also doesn't help much in determining a primary topic. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 00:02, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Edokter here. And I disagree with the notion that being listed on the same disambiguation page makes any difference to whether two different terms could have separate primary topics. Pick any common noun, capitalize it, and stick a “The” in front of it in a Wikipedia search; “The X” seldom redirects to the page for “x.” I don’t see what makes this case any different from, say, Wire (disambiguation)/The Wire (and see no need to split that DAB page, either). Also, there’s no reason this couldn’t instead be split off to The Doctor (disambiguation), so this matter is no more or less urgent than the redirect. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 04:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Any split only complicates navigation, so this would be counterporductive. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 09:33, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I glanced over WP:DPAGE before so I didn't notice the article usage piece, but that seems pretty clear in the matter. I'm pretty in favor of not splitting as well now. The terms are too similar. Kingofaces43 (talk) 18:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed redirect

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The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Clear consensus against. Have a jelly baby. Guy (Help!) 23:48, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who#Redirecting 'The Doctor' to Doctor Who's 'The Doctor' about that thing it says in the link. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 15:21, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Doctor (proper name starting with “The”) currently redirects to this disambiguation page, Doctor. Should it redirect to Doctor (Doctor Who) as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for “The Doctor”? Note that this disambiguation page for the word itself would remain here at Doctor. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 01:18, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I think there are too many terms that include "the doctor" in their title that it exclude its use as a primary topic. But I'd really like some objective statistics to determin if there is any primacy at all. Untill then, it remains a matter of guesswork and fan pride. (edit) Would there be objection to tagging this with an RfC tag? -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 22:10, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
An RFC may be worthwhile, but it might be worthwhile to pursue the conversation above for a bit if not just to get concrete a question(s) for the RfC formulated. If the above doesn't go anywhere, it's definitely going to be worthwhile to get outside opinion. I'll ask the WP:MED folks to check this out in the meantime though as they tend to be pretty dispassionate about who gets what terminology as long as it stays concise. Kingofaces43 (talk) 22:35, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps I can help you get your arm around this primacy thingee? First off, let's Google "The Doctor" -wikipedia. What appears on the first page? I get one hit for a 1991 movie, one partial title match, and seven Dr. Who related hits. The second page is more of the same: five Dr. Who related hits and five partials. Bottom line: The Doctor (Doctor Who) article gets over 20 times the page views of the 1991 movie. (Compare here and here.) NotUnusual (talk) 08:36, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to have to note this but required if turns out to be community banned user: SPI on User:NotUnusual In ictu oculi (talk) 23:47, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This was also brought up on my talk page, and I'm copying my comments here. One of my objections is that WP:PRIMARYTOPIC primarily deals with article naming, and which article can forego the (disambiguation) part in their title. Since Doctor (Doctor Who) already is disambiuated, it has no claim of primacy to begin with. And if it is made the primary topic, Doctor (Doctor Who) would have to be renamed to Doctor, and the current Doctor to Doctor (disambiguation), and all that to keep navigation consistent. So this porposal has more consequences then a simple redirect; it introduces an inconsistency, because "The Doctor" is not allowed per WP:TITLEFORMAT, as article names may not start with a definite article unless they are part part of a proper title (name of a work). -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 10:17, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Citing an example I cited below: Frederic Smith is a redirect to an article, Fred Smith is a disambig page. Same situation here: redirect The Doctor to an article, keep Doctor as a disambig page. WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT supports this as well. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 10:30, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct that one does work that way, and I believe that Frederic Smith should redirect to Fred Smith not to Frederic H. Smith, Jr.. There is more than one Smith on that DAB page that spells their first name Frederic (no k) and there is no indication that anyone is the primary topic. One editor decided that is the proper target for that redirect in 2007. -- GB fan 11:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I looked a little more at your example, Frederic Smith was made as a redirect in 2007. The other two were created well after that redirect. The Frederic Jacobs Smith redirect was created in 2009 and the Frederic L. Smith article was created in 2010. So at the time the Frederic Smith was created that was the only article with that specific spelling of the name. Since Frederic Smith is not used as a link in any article, I am going to be bold and redirect it the the DAB page. -- GB fan 11:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC with respect to usage due to pervasiveness in popular culture in recent years, as well as with respect to long-term significance due to the same in decades past. No one has as yet made a case for any of the other uses for “The Doctor” as primary. (Note: I’m the nom, but I didn’t give my rationale above.) —174.141.182.82 (talk) 03:38, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I originally supported this, but after reviewing all the pages that disambig from "The Doctor", there are a few there, such as the Cheap Trick Album, that can make a case as well, so I think that it should now remain as a disambig. Vyselink (talk) 10:44, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support When hearing 'The Doctor', whether you're a hardcore Star Trek fan or a Doctor or fan or neither, Doctor Who is always what comes to mind first, because The Doctor from Doctor Who is inarguably the most known character for the term, but also one of the most known and most recognised sic-fi characters in the world. It is for this reason 'the Doctor', should be linked to the page in which people are normally referring to, and a disambig link should be linked at the top for (a) EMH Star Trek Doctor and (b) other uses of 'The Doctor' (all of which are minor in comparison). DocHeuh (talk) 14:30, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support 'The Doctor' from Doctor Who is primarily what people are referring to when they say 'The Doctor', therefore when using a direct search in wikipedia, 'The Doctor' from Docotr Who should come up, to suit the majority cause. Fot the select few that do not mean 'The Doctor' from Doctor Who, there can be a disambiguation link at the top for the Stark Trek EMH Doctor and other minor uses. A similar scenario is used for 'Ozymandias'. The most common use of the term is referring to the poem, however there are other uses such as a nickname for Ramesses II and for the Watchmen comic book character of the same name. Ozymandias poem is the redirect, and there is a disambiguation link at the top. Dirac (talk) 14:39, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I'd remind other folks that this disambiguation page does not only include the term "The Doctor". For search terms with an article (a, the, etc.) we include them all on the same page per WP:DPAGE. Since we currently don't have consensus for splitting the terms "doctor" and "the doctor" here [2], we need to assess a primary topic for all topics on this disambiguation page since we'd be linking to it if the redirect did occur. It may be difficult (but possible) to select a primary topic simply from those with the term "the doctor", but definitely not with much more universal terms like doctor, physician, etc. in the mix. No one has yet made a case per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC that searches should be redirected to a single article because they simply include the term doctor. That's what a redirect at this version of the disambiguation would result in. Kingofaces43 (talk) 18:50, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Both terms lead to the same disambiguation page. If the redirect occurred now, the disambiguation link on the Dr. Who page would lead to the disambiguation of both "doctor" and "the doctor". There wasn't any consensus for treating the terms separately, so you would be redirecting the term doctor at this point. Kingofaces43 (talk) 03:20, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I’m afraid I don’t see your point. Any disambiguation links to Doctor or The Doctor already do lead to the disambiguation page for both. If the retargeting went through, then The Doctor would lead to the article for a fictional character, Doctor would still be a disambiguation page, and any links to Doctor would still lead to that DAB page. Nothing would change except the target of an existing redirect. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 03:48, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, what disambiguation page would be linked to from the Dr. Who article? There are other articles by the same name, so it seems you would need to link back to the current disambiguation page in that case, which also includes "doctor" as its term. That's where the problem lies because based on the above conversation, we are not considering the two terms as distinct during the purposes of a search. Kingofaces43 (talk) 04:27, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Do other disambiguation pages exist? This one is the only one I’m aware of, so… this one, the one that lists other uses for “The Doctor.” What effect do you believe it would have on searches? —174.141.182.82 (talk) 06:05, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above was about creating a second disambiguation page where only only the term "the doctor" would be used. Currently the topic of this page is both "doctor" and "the doctor". I've explained this a little more elsewhere, so to avoid multiple threads, I'm going to let this one be here for now for simplicity. Kingofaces43 (talk) 04:51, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This shouldn't be a discussion. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 20:21, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It is one thing to make a statement that says "'The Doctor' from Doctor Who is primarily what people are referring to when they say 'The Doctor'" or "When hearing 'The Doctor', whether you're a hardcore Star Trek fan or a Doctor or fan or neither, Doctor Who is always what comes to mind first," it quite another thing to support those assertions with facts. I have seen nothing that says either of those statements are true. I am a fan of Dr Who and Star Trek. When I hear the Doctor, neither one of those come to mind. A medical doctor is what comes to my mind. From my non-scientific poll of people I know, Dr Who fans, Star Trek fans and fans of neither, none of them automatically go to The Doctor from Doctor Who unless the conversation was already discussing Dr Who. -- GB fan 20:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Maybe in the sci-fi world "The Doctor" is primarily used to mean the doctor from Doctor Who, but in the rest of the world "the doctor" probably primarily refers to a medical doctor. Any way, no single WP:PRIMARYTOPIC has been established. By lack of consensus, this further shows that there is no primary topic. Therefore, The Doctor should be a DAB page, and as per WP:DPAGE, a redirect to Doctor. And in this case, using page views doesn't help to establish the primary topic. Just because Doctor (Doctor Who) has more views than Physician doesn't mean the phrase "the doctor" is more commonly used in one case than the other. --Scott Alter (talk) 23:58, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The proposal here is to retarget the existing redirect of “The Doctor,” not “Doctor” (disambig page) or “the doctor” (lowercase redlink). Some of the comments here seem confused about that, so I just wanted to clear up that no other redirect is being proposed. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 04:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Scott's post above this pretty clearly demonstrates why we aren't making a distinction between the two terms for the purposes of this page. If someone wants to discuss what you're suggesting now, they need to get consensus for decoupling the two terms in the section above first before discussing what a primary topic would be within The Doctor alone. In the absence of that action, we'd need to pick a primary topic from the current disambiguation page as a whole. Kingofaces43 (talk) 04:41, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Is there any basis in policy for this requirement? I’m not aware of anything that says you can’t have a combined disambiguation page and a primary topic for an alternate form. If you’re referring to WP:DPAGE, I’m not seeing any such guidance in there, either. In fact, it gives Fred Smith as an example, and Frederic Smith redirects to the article for one of multiple subjects by that name (I count three listed on the dab page). This is exactly analogous to what’s being proposed here. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 05:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    The policy is WP:CONSENSUS. The previous consensus was to redirect the multiple terms to the disambiguation page and treat them as one topic, hence the disambiguation. If they weren't one topic, we'd have separate disambiguations. Kingofaces43 (talk) 04:41, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I think you mean “ambiguous term” in place of “topic.” And as I said, I see nothing in any policy to indicate that your demands are consensus. You claim policy forbids us from having primary topics for multiple forms of a term, simply because those forms share a disambiguation page. But WP:DPAGE says nothing about this, or about “combining” them outside of the disambiguation page. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC says nothing about combined DAB pages (or “combined terms”) either. Your position would forbid us from having both Wire and The Wire as titles because Wire (disambiguation) lists uses of both terms, and there is no basis in existing policy or consensus for your position. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 05:05, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's irrelevant what's happened over at The Wire. In this case, both terms are redirected to the same disambiguation, and there has been no consensus to separate the two. The ambiguity mentioned between "doctor" and "the doctor" as search terms is why there hasn't been consensus to make one of those redirects go elsewhere (hence the disambiguation). Without consensus for that, one cannot decide a primary topic for "The Doctor" alone yet. Basically you're wanting to take the second step first, which is why this course of action is problematic. You're apparently not seeing that, so I'm going to stop beating the dead horse and let the RfC run it's course. It doesn't look like there's consensus for the change at this point in time anyways, but if that does change, we can discuss the issues with the two terms later before making any changes. Kingofaces43 (talk) 16:06, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support: <sarcasm> I've got a great idea! Lets redirect the phrase "The Doctor" to a page that doesn't even use that article ("The") in the article title – Doctor (Doctor Who) – and ignore all these other pages that actually do, just because Doctor Who is currently a popular TV show:
  1. The Doctor (1952 TV series)
  2. The Doctor (1991 film)
  3. The Doctor (2013 film)
  4. The Doctor (1952 TV series)
  5. The Doctor (Once Upon a Time)
  6. The Doctor (Cheap Trick album)
  7. The Doctor (Beenie Man album)
  8. The Doctor (Thomas Nöla et son Orchestre album)
  9. The Doctor (Mary Wells song)
  10. The Doctor (The Doobie Brothers song)
</sarcasm> – Seppi333 (Insert 2¢ | Maintained) 11:20, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Seppi333: And because the show was broadly known in the decades before its 2005 revival, and because it fits WP:PRIMARYTOPIC better than any other subject listed. Otherwise, yes, that is what’s being proposed. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 11:49, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You're missing my point. I might have actually weakly supported this if The Doctor (Doctor Who) was the article title. It's not, and therefore shouldn't take precedence over these others. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC has no relevance to my point as a counterargument because the DAB is for "Doctor" and not "The Doctor", given the current page name of the Doctor Who article. (Nevermind, the opposite case is actually the policy: WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT) Seppi333 (Insert 2¢ | Maintained) 11:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Seppi333: It likely would be if WP:TITLEFORMAT allowed the use of “the” in such a case. But check the article. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 12:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, maybe that article should be moved instead; WP:TITLEFORMAT does allow “The” where it changes the meaning of the title. But, let’s see… a move request some months ago failed. So a redirect may be the best option, à la The Joker (which also has a target whose title does not contain “The”). —174.141.182.82 (talk) 12:20, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe that should be discussed too. I fail to see what makes the DC comics character primary. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 17:21, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There are too many things called "The Doctor" to judge whether one is "more likely than all the other topics combined" 213.104.176.176 (talk) 08:57, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support First, titles with an inherent "The" such as "The Doctor" have absolutely no business redirecting to Doctor at all. The "The" shows it is an artistic reference, not a general one. Second, although "The Doctor" from Star Trek Voyager is a personal favorite (if you haven't seen this, you are culturally incomplete), there is no question that "The Doctor" refers to the title character of Doctor Who. References to physicians and Star Trek's The Doctor can and should easily be dealt with as redirects from the main topic, The Doctor of Doctor Who. μηδείς (talk) 22:02, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • OpposeThe entire reason for the (lower case) Doctor disambiguation page is that there are numerous references to a doctor. In relation, "The Doctor" is not related to any one specific 'doctor' in the eye of public. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.171.131.160 (talk) 20:56, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • COMMENT There seems to be a very obvious misunderstanding. People seem to think the !vote is for redirecting both Doctor and The Doctor to Doctor Who, when it isn't. It makes this whole exercise pointless. DocHeuh (talk) 03:17, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just goes to show there's a bit that should have been sorted out before this RfC, but there are those no votes out there because Doctor and The Doctor as search terms lead to the disambiguation page. Right now we're treating those search terms as ambiguous, so it would seem better to have a discussion on if splitting those search terms to make them distinct should be done. People have different ideas on what articles to look at in assessing a primary topic otherwise, so there probably won't be any easy to define consensus in this RfC. Kingofaces43 (talk) 03:27, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. There doesn't appear to be "a very obvious misunderstanding." Most of the opposes here clearly state that they oppose redirecting The Doctor to Doctor (Doctor Who), which is the proposal in this RFC. The proposal is clear, with a request to redirect The Doctor to Doctor (Doctor Who). This is what people are "supporting" or "opposing". Whether there should be different disambiguation pages for The Doctor and Doctor is a separate question that requires a separate discussion. These are the two distinct binary yes/no questions that should be separately addressed. But based on the two questions, there are 4 possible outcomes. The questions are:
  1. Is "The Doctor" a distinct entity different enough from "Doctor" to warrant a separate disambiguation page?
    If yes, then there should be two separate disambiguation pages for "Doctor" and "The Doctor" (at Doctor and either The Doctor or The Doctor (disambiguation) depending on question #2).
    If no, then there should continue to be one combined disambiguation page (at Doctor).
  2. Is "The Doctor" from Doctor Who the primary use of "The Doctor"?
    If yes, then The Doctor should point directly to Doctor (Doctor Who).
    If no, then The Doctor should point to a disambiguation page (either Doctor a separate disambiguation page for "The Doctor" depending on question #1).
Here it is in graphical table form:
"The Doctor" is distinctly different from "Doctor" to warrant separate disambiguation pages
(Should there be separate disambiguation pages for "Doctor" and "The Doctor"?)
Yes No*
Primary use of "The Doctor" is The Doctor from Doctor Who
(Should The Doctor redirect to Doctor (Doctor Who)?) 		Yes**
No*
* Current · ** Proposed
These are the two questions and all 4 possibilities. We are discussing just one of the questions here (question #2/left column). The other question (question #1/top row) can be discussed separately, or not at all. If not discussed, the status quo will continue. This really shouldn't be as difficult as some are making it out to be. --Scott Alter (talk) 05:26, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And just in case there’s any doubt or confusion, this RFC is meant to determine only the following:
Primary use of "The Doctor" is The Doctor from Doctor Who
(Should The Doctor redirect to Doctor (Doctor Who)?) 		Yes
No
By the way, thank you very much for that detailed explanation, Scott. Hopefully that helps those who did seem to misunderstand what was being proposed here. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 08:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There is no confusion. Most (if not all) the 'oppose' are saying that there are too many things called 'THE Doctor' to move the doctor. Please stop trying to undermine people who disagree with you by pretending that they are arguing against a different thing. 2.122.96.22 (talk) 20:00, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'll also mirror this. Most people seemed pretty clear in explaining what they thought as they responded to the RfC as presented. Some people are looking at the very narrow scope of TV characters under "the doctor", some are looking at broader usage of the term as it can go into describing medical doctors, and others are looking at implications that come up due to "doctor" and "the doctor" together. That we're getting different comments like this still within the scope of this RfC would seem to indicate there are wider problems to address that aren't so narrow in scope. Kingofaces43 (talk) 20:33, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
WP:Assume good faith, please. I’m not trying to undermine anyone or anything. While not in all or even half of the opposing votes, there is some confusion evident here and there, as well as some editors (see immediately below) insisting that the two questions are inextricably linked, which perhaps exacerbates that confusion. Clearly, a good number of participants here don’t see “The Doctor” as having a primary topic; but we don’t want those getting mixed up with irrelevant votes against redirecting Doctor. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 22:58, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
However, you do appear to be disregarding some of the broader issues people are bringing up that come from jumping into a redirect at this point. Those points should not just be dismissed as confusion or irrelevant. The benefit of an RfC is that it brings in uninvolved editors that often bring in different perspectives that would not always come up with the smaller pool of involved editors. Folks are here to comment on the thought of a redirect to whatever degree they see, and those thoughts don't need to be limited to only the scope that you want to see answered. Sometimes there are wider issues to address, and RfCs are good for bringing those to light. Best to let others respond to the RfC as they see it should be answered and assess consensus from there. Kingofaces43 (talk) 00:51, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Scott, thanks for making the table. I will point out though that it doesn't seem to me like we can make those decisions separately. It's more of a hierarchical question. Basically, it looks to me like the question posed in the columns needs to be answered first before the row question because the single disambiguation page and redirect to Dr. Who can't exist before then. By having a single disambiguation page, we're currently saying the multiple terms are ambiguous. We can't really say the search terms are ambiguous at one point, but then turn around and say they are distinct enough to just pick out "The Doctor" and only look for a primary topic/redirect within that subset. There's a logic issue in doing it that way. Kingofaces43 (talk) 20:33, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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A doctor is someone whom that🧑‍⚕️ has abilities to heal people or who comes with many possibilities A doctor can somewhow be refered to a musician 💃or pratitioner 41.116.132.13 (talk) 05:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes thats an intelligent answer 41.116.132.13 (talk) 05:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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