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Nurse | Nonprofit founder | Community builder | Digital Storyteller | Documentarian | Writer | hija & friend. 🇩🇴

I fundamentally don't understand the belief that nursing NEEDS to adopt the tired bill for service model that we know has failed miserably but somehow is being touted as THE solution for a crisis created by corporate greed. I don't want to be a "valuable billable service," I want safe staffing ratios, to be paid adequately and for patients to access the care they need for free. We don't need to prove our worth to demand these things. When are we going to be clear about the problem? Why does nursing STILL have to *prove* it's value to corporations? No nurse, there is no care. It's that simple. Pay us more. Staff & retain us. Stop exploiting us for our labor and stop exploiting patients. Sorry that the toll on our bodies of working more than we are physically able to, in order to make up for systemic neglect is not going to be addressed by nurse reimbursement. You can't convince me otherwise and I won't pay a membership fee to be convinced either. Resident physicians are the case study. Every minute of their exploitation is billable. They still suffer. Another example that comes to mind, Kaiser mental health workers are on strike right now in Southern California. Many of these clinicians bill for service. Kaiser is not only their employer but they are also the insurance provider. Kaiser has refused to meet with their workforce and is delaying negotiations. Kaiser is outsourcing therapists through therapy tech startups like Rula and Grow Therapy, meaning they are taking strike contracts and impeding negotiations for this workforce. As more struggling healthcare systems are either absorbed by or implement the same combined coverage and care delivery model as Kaiser, why would nurses preemptively give them more of our working power? The fight for nursing is through organizing our workforce, building community and addressing harmful labor practices. Anything else is showboating and/or tiptoeing around the problem. This workforce is in crisis and we can't waste valuable time and resources on an endless loop. If your goal is to make these corporations more money off of our labor, SAY THAT. Don't try to pretend to care about our wellbeing while refusing to acknowledge the purveyors of harm. We know nurses are valuable, why are we spending time, resources and energy on proving this? We need organizations like IMPACT In Healthcare | Interdisciplinary Medical & Patient Alliance for Care Transformation speaking to Congress members daily but it’s not sexy or fun to be clear about the problem. It’s also expensive for working class healthcare workers. #nursesonlinkedin #directreimbursement #universalhealthcare #nursing #medicine #capitalism #patientcare #kaiserstrike #unionize

Carlie Austin

Neonatal Intensive Care RN | Maternal and Infant Health Advocate| PhD Candidate| Health Equity Advocate| Health Policy Specialist| Nursing Advocate|

1mo

Sarah Warren BSN, RN, I mean this from my heart when I say I agree with your frustration. In my opinion, the question shouldn’t be, “Why are we spending time, resources, and energy on proving [nursing is valuable]?” it should be, “Why do we have to prove nurses are valuable?” For the reasons you mentioned above, that’s why. I believe reframing the question may help you understand why nurses are using our human capital to change the system in multiple ways, nurse reimbursement being one of them. I’ve never heard this approach pitched as THE solution. Our professional and healthcare state is a multifaceted issue that requires multifaceted solutions. Making corporations more money isn’t the goal. Instead, it’s taking the abundant wealth that is accrued off our labor— to change the narrative around our value and influence how that money is distributed to our patients, communities, profession, and practice environments. You may deem this an endless loop, but I believe the infinite loop is us solely relying on the fact that we’re valuable as inherently enough to produce systemic change that delivers valuable outcomes. It’s a tale as old as our conception, and where has it gotten us? Knowing our value has never been OUR problem.

Alicia T.

MSN, RN, CV-BC, NPD-BC • Nursing Professional Development • Health Policy and Advocacy

1mo

How does one place a cost on comforting the mother of a patient who has passed away? How does one place a cost on catching a medication error after an order was input into the EMR? How is the ethical and moral role of a nurse monetized? Those are just a few questions I think about also.

Brandi Vines

Healthcare Executive | Leadership Development | Hospital Operations | Nursing Advocate | Emergency Response| MSP & Staffing Strategist

1mo

I do not disagree with ANY of your sentiments. The predicament is until we change our payer model, and the fact that healthcare is a business/profit first, that HARD ROI that hits a P&L is all they look at. Not the soft ROI that is 10000% percent there.

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Andrew Benedict-Nelson

I help the helpers. Coaching, strategy, and facilitation to help members of the helping professions achieve ambitious projects outside their comfort zone.

1mo

I'm also skeptical of this approach, though I try to listen when serious people discuss it.

Ecoee Rooney, DNP, RN

Chief Nursing Officer | Transforming Patient Care & Leading Clinical Excellence | Strategic Healthcare Leadership | Solutions Targeting Root Causes of Burnout and Turnover

1mo

This sounds like the amazing work that the Commission for Nurse Reimbursement is currently leading. ✨. This is a link to their page with opportunities to volunteer! https://commissionfornursereimbursement.com

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Carlie Austin

Neonatal Intensive Care RN | Maternal and Infant Health Advocate| PhD Candidate| Health Equity Advocate| Health Policy Specialist| Nursing Advocate|

1mo

Cristina de la Fuente, BSN, RN, CV-BC, I understand your points, but I believe we have to do better at not adding to the burden and challenges of our nursing profession and our current professional state in healthcare. How do we fight to improve a system if we are fighting ourselves? We can disagree with one another, but presuming that because a peer nurse disagrees with our pathway to ensure greater professional autonomy that strengthens our abilities to serve our communities better, they must be performative and superficial, garners us little respect and grows us further from our collective goal. Offering my intersectionality as an example, I am an underrepresented frontline nurse, caring for underserved communities and advocating for equitable quality of care environments through multiple avenues, and nursing reimbursements are one of them. I may not be famous or an innovative leader; still, I’ll respectfully hold dialogue with any nurse colleague interested in why I believe nurse reimbursement is a vital component to leveraging our professional power to deliver the care we know our patients deserve.

April Rose Waddell

NurseMoneyDate® Founder | Retired NURSE | Financial Coach & Educator | Public Speaker | Freelance Writer

1mo

Nurses shouldn't have to prove their worth or adopt models that prioritize profits over patient care and fair working conditions. Safe staffing, fair pay, and a healthcare system that doesn’t exploit both patients and providers should be non-negotiable. The fight is indeed about organizing, building community, and holding those who drive harmful labor practices accountable. Your voice is crucial—let’s keep pushing for real, systemic change. 👏💪

Cristina de la Fuente, BSN, RN, CV-BC

Progressive Care Registered Nurse | Independent Voter

1mo

I raised these concerns several times directly to the nurse reimbursement advocates. I’m so sick of the #superficiality on Linkedin from “nurse innovation leaders”, state nursing associations, “physician leaders/influencers”, and “healthcare policy experts”. Their attention seeking behavior, performative empathy toward frontline workers, & gimmicky trade shows are not harmful in themselves. They become hurtful when they spread harmful disinformation that undermines safe #staffing #laws, nursing #unions, common sense #ai policy, or they support Trump & his loyalists who are overtly #exploitative & #dangerous for workers & patients.

.Jose M Maria FNP-BC, RN

Family Nurse Practitioner; PhD Nursing student. Emergency Nursing; Opinions are solely my own and not representative of any past, present or future employer

1mo

The method of compensation for healthcare services delivery has not failed because there’s something wrong with the platform. It’s failed because our government 1) reducing individual physician/NPP compensation while increasing health system reimbursement. 2) It’s failed because health insurers have a blank check to deploy obstructive practices that impair care delivery. 3) it fails because our laws are purposely created to allow for some “ingenuity” in the pipeline (at a cost of course). This proposal, much like mandated ratios, has its pros/cons DEPENDING on your frame of reference. Without mandated ratios or even government backed ratios, the private sector would not move a muscle to actually implement change. This proposal is centered around removing influence from the corporation and to the nurses doing the work. We are the only profession tethered by an invisable rope to a facility in order to get compensated (W2, 1099) for services rendered. We are “forever employees”, the same status residents and now attendings are facing. I would have preferred outpatient nurse led clinics that can provide health services to improve health and lower hospitalizations. Those are cost savings.

Heather Tubbs Cooley

Associate Professor, The Ohio State University Find me on Bluesky: @heathertubbscooley.bsky.social

1mo

Hospitals already direct bill for several nursing services, with the nurses who deliver the services largely unaware. For example, virtually all ERs bill IV push admin fees (in addition to the med) up to several hundred dollars per push. I believe the goal of the commission is to ensure that of the revenue already earned for nurse-delivered services, nursing departments receive a fair share to then invest into staffing, professional development, and better pay. I waver in optimism on this approach because a larger share of the existing pie given to nurses means less money for another service line/group/stategic priority, and other groups don’t give up money easily. It seems to have potential to drive up other fees to make up for the loss, such as facility/professional fees (but that’s speculative on my part).

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