Customer Success is not Sales 2.0. And treating it like that is destroying your growth. When CS becomes primarily a sales channel: 🥵 Usage drops 🥵 Results flattens 🥵 Trust evaporates 🥵 Churn accelerates Customers see through the "help" that's really a pitch. And if the CSM is doing sales... Then who is CSMing? Nobody. The irony? Companies pushing CS to sell more make LESS money. It's kind of obvious: - Successful customers renew - Successful customers expand - Successful customers refer you When you lead with value, you get more value back. This doesn’t mean CS teams can’t play a strategic role in growth by: - Identify opportunities (CSQLs) - Be compensated for expansions - Track NRR as a north star metric It means that the main goal should remain to make customers successful. - Ready to focus on the stuff that moves the needle? ✨ Join thousands of other CS leaders learning how to build teams that drive value by subscribing to my newsletter. Discover broader horizons today! (link below) #CustomerSuccess #RevOps #CustomerExperience #CSM #SaaS
I was literally having this conversation with a fellow CS just yesterday. Companies are losing sight of the value of CS to chase a quick dollar. It’s been proven over and over that focusing on the long game leads to more success over focusing on near term revenue.
My teams have owned revenue in many organizations and when structured, measured and incentivized the right way, the customer, the CSM and the company have benefited. CSMs who do their jobs well and intentionally will organically have opportunities to generate more revenue from their base. I've seen it. I've done it. And I've been successful.
I used to do Sales because the CEO "wanted me to" and although I was bringing in customers, the Success Metrics were flatlining, because I couldn't be on offense anymore...
I remember after COVID, when the whole “venture winter” thing kicked off, everyone started pushing CS to sell more. Clients can tell if your only agenda is one more chance to pitch upsell / expansion and stop trusting you with their challenges as much. That said, it’s awesome when CS has connect with revenue, not just amount of work done. Balancing here is a pure art
I can’t make the comment I want to without cursing so you’re going to have to use your imagination. But &$@! Yes!!!!
I remember hearing you say on This is Growth 'the nature of CS is we deliver value to customers so that we increase the value that we get back from them' and thinking that it was the most straight forward definition of upsell / expansion responsibility I'd heard in a long time ..
I agree 200% with this view trust and relationship is everything in our business 🙌
The REACH Framework demonstrates that CSMs can successfully contribute to driving expansion by identifying ways that your solutions can provide additional value to customers. It isn't about selling and it isn't dependent on hitting quotes. But it is a recognition that an evolving expectation for a CSM role is to nurture customers in a way that increases their likelihood to grow in the future. I believe that CSMs can be more deliberate about uncovering these expansion opportunities. Do you think that this should be an expectation for CSMs in many cases in the future?
I fully agree with you — CS is not a New Business/Sales function, even though there’s a crossover in skill sets. That said, I think a great CSM should still wear a sales hat occasionally, not by constantly pitching clients, but by deeply understanding their needs. When you focus on driving customer success, cross-sell and up-sell opportunities will naturally arise as part of delivering value.
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1moCan we please distinguish between CS and CSM? Customer Success is an outcome, CSM is a function that contributes (the lion's share) to it. Why does that matter? CSM is not Sales 2.0 but CS is. As you have pointed out correctly, successful customers renew, expand and refer. That means Customer Success (the outcome) does the selling for you. It also means that selling as a CSM has nothing to do with being pushy, sleazy or salesy. It's about highlighting the value customers got (renewals, referrals) and showing customers how they scale it (expansion).